Staff reports. I stopped and looked at it. Liquid Crystal Oral History: Doane, J. William (Transcript Only),. It was bistable, so we could make low-power, full color reflective displays. CRAWFORD: In the scientific world, especially in academia, publication is very important. CRAWFORD: Where might we see some of these signs today? CRAWFORD: You mentioned you'd seen their names in the literature. Westinghouse was using it for temperature sensors because it can be made to be very sensitive to temperature. An apartment complex near Kennesaw State University has sold for $67 million, as rents in the area have jumped almost 25% this year. This fundamentally means you're only using half the light. FEATURES OF OUR AURORA, CO MALL. It was very fundamental research. Saupe would've been the type of witness that worked against you.CRAWFORD: Right, hostile.DOANE: Right, a hostile witness. 1 hour from Salina. Anyway, we began to evolve into applied aspects, particularly displays. NOTE TO USERS: Sharp Copy Transcription, an independent transcription service, produced the original version of this transcript from the digital audio files of this oral history interview. I had so many publications, I didn't need to worry about publications for a tenure promotion or anything. [End Part 2][Start Part 3]. For the guy who takes on the challenge of the unpopular aspects of science it is often the guy who finds the exciting breakthroughs. Joel Domino, was the company's first employee. In regard to the American Society of Patent Holders, Goodyear was involved. We recapitalized the company and changed the name to Kent Displays, Incorporated. Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin : Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin Localisation : Country France, Region Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes, Department Isre. I didn't find it a great business for Kent State University. It's a lot more than just doing science. We could make a low power reflective display with that. [Laugh] I sat down with DengKe and we wrote a patent. She had come out [West] to teach school after her college work, which is where she met my father and how she wound up in the sod house. I knew he was going to really quiz me about my research because he would want to know how I was going to fund it and that stuff. I hadn't been back in Ohio but a few days, and they sued us. As soon as I met Sardari, I talked him into synthesizing a liquid crystal I could use with magnetic resonance. So I got a board, drilled holes to put the tube in, ran wires down it to put in the holes [and got the oscillator to work]. Location! People in California are able to start a company a lot more easily. After he got his degree, while he was looking for [an industrial position], I had him as a postdoctoral fellow for a short while in my lab. Copyright law (Title 17, USC). Working with them at that time, was one of [Alfred] Saupe's former students when he was at the University of Freiburg in Freiburg Germany. It had to be very lightweight, and we couldn't do plastic that well back then. But that was a distraction for the company. Although, spinoff companies can provide license income to the university as well. Event starts on Sunday, 30 April 2023 and happening at Brandon Town Center Mall, Brandon, FL. I thought, "I'm going to see if I can get the administration to let me use this program in the Institute." That really got us going. [Laugh] We wound up with a clear liquid mess on the laboratory bench. I thought maybe a master's degree would be good. to provide you with an unparalleled condo buying and selling experience. I was worried about losing them, so I had to create a graduate program in the Liquid Crystal Institute to have tenure-track professor positions for them.CRAWFORD: You saw moving towards getting them into professorships as a way to retain people like West and Palffy.DOANE: Yeah. It can be formulated so that the slightest change in temperature changes the color. We made some [very nice full-color, high resolution, flexible color displays]. With See more 27,359 people like this Forming the company while I still directed the Institute caused some issues. 1 of 8. But I'm still on the board of the company, and they kindly give me a little office here, let me come in and talk to people. Do you think that's useful for science?DOANE: It happens because universities have a need to be open which is not true for industry. Kansas Manhattan Houses $1,400 710 S Manhattan Ave 710 S Manhattan Ave, Manhattan, KS 66502 South Manhattan 2 Beds 1 Bath 1400 Sqft Contact Property Learn more, take a tour, and get one step closer to your new home. There was another candidate for one of Glenns positions, Professor Alfred Saupe who was on the faculty at Freiburg University in Germany. I'm glad to hear it. I had a quote from Glenn Brown I wanted to read for you. That turned out to be a really good thing to do. We loved the state of Washington. and our And after I met Jim McGrath, I just liked the guy. That was my interest. It really got into the writing experience, as well as advancing it to fit this into digital technology, how to do it in color, things like that. Dr. Doane, thank you for agreeing to speak with me today.J. They were further instrumental in involving other industries such as 3M.] At that time, both of our work was focused on solid crystalline materials. He got an appointment at Texas A&M. To do this, he had to have a lot of support from the University. Please include proper citation and credit for use of this item. He was with me during the development of the company, and now he runs it as CEO. But that was the way Glenn wanted it. you can use w.e you think the best tick look-a-like would be but i'd bank with something like a couple pieces of activated charcoa Anyway, during this time, I got to know people working in this field and got to become acquainted with some of these researchers and find out what they were doing and so on. DARPA primarily, but also the Navy and other agencies, the Army, started funding display research. The primary reason I did was Jim McGrath and Tony Silvidi. 2 car garage and Large front yard. It was quite an experience for her. It was sort of an informal, gradual retirement. Also, as a blackboard or white board replacement, it is not messy; that is, you dont need chalk or ink. We decided to focus on the use of displays in signs. We had all the patents on this, so I flew down to Texas to talk to this company and tell them, "Look, we have the patents on this, and we're going to protect them. [I mention this as later these two parallel developments came in conflict].CRAWFORD: Do you recall the student's name?DOANE: No, but I could dig it up. It was just a great display to start high volume manufacturing. Then, lawsuits began to fly all over the place. Or at least we thought it was at that time. CRAWFORD: What was it that allowed you to switch between the two states?DOANE: It has to do with how you switch it. I don't think it's all been bad, I think it's had some good points, too. Time zone of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin. He was upset with me because I didn't want to publish, I wanted to patent it. These grants with our own funds helped us build this high-volume manufacturing line so that we could really turn out displays in high volume. The property is located just off the I-75, walking distance to KSU football field, Towncenter Mall, many restaurants and new development in the area. Before, the University would simply license technology. There were no doubt other faculty involved that I may have overlooked. The first time they came out, we submitted an application, but just did it with the people in the Institute and institute facilities. He had moved on by then and wanted to develop and ultimately sell liquid crystal displays for watches. I just did what I thought ought to be done. 2 hours from Lincoln, NE. Obviously, the science is important. It was the start of that. It was the first money I got where I could build a clean room and do the things I needed to do. I began to see a problem with the liquid crystal field, all of the display work was being done in industry, and all these people were going to these display society meetings, while the liquid crystal materials people doing basic research were going to the International Liquid Crystal Society. We had a nice program that went on for years with a group at Hughes Research, [headed by David Margerum], developing displays and various kinds of things. One thing that hurt the company a lot in the early years, a company down in Texas started making cholesteric displays infringing on our technology. I did it formally a few years back, maybe three or four years ago. There was Dave Johnson in the physics department, who was doing very nice work on calorimetry, the thermodynamics of liquid crystals. I had an NIH grant on biological membranes (that are also liquid crystalline) as well. Please switch to a supported browser or download one of our Mobile Apps. It has played a big role [scientifically and technologically]. [We are, of course, not anywhere near where Cambridge and Silicon Valley are but we do, at least, have a start.] He convinced Timex that he could make wristwatch faces with this technology, and they gave him a grant to do that through Kent State University. Heinke was the attorney involved in this lawsuit. My parents were very supportive of that and helped me with it. We are conveniently located across from Town Center Mall in the Town Center Oaks Shopping Center 2615 George Busbee Parkway Kennesaw, GA 30144. My experience with this is that universities typically don't want to get too involved in licensing and business relationships. I wanted Kent to benefit from this. I was able to get a lot of defense contracts. We decided at one time to try Amazon, and we sent them a number of them. Shirley went with me. It was not easy to do. It was incredible. Then, around the world, in India and Russia, there were groups fiddling around with these things, but not much was known about it. Some were even teaching classes. DOANE: Building the research graduate programs, yes. University patenting was difficult for different reason, but from what I understand, I think around '65, '67, there was an individual in the federal government who was trying to make it easier for federal universities to patent research. Basically university research on liquid crystal materials and industrial research on liquid crystal displays were disconnected. Bahman Taheri founded one of them, Alpha Micron, Inc.. That was one reason. But the program did not last long as better ways to detect cancer evolved. CRAWFORD: I know it may be difficult for you to speak to Dr. Brown's thought process, but why was it so important to have it off campus? They wanted a program that involved multiple universities, not just one. He has been key to the companys success and is with the company today.CRAWFORD: And that was in 1993?DOANE: Yeah. One thing I did, in order to keep faculty focused when someone would give a talk, was to make them bring a demonstration. One way to do that was not to take an exclusive license for the entire patent, but to narrow it down [and license it for some specific application]. At that time, a group at Xerox had started looking at it. These agreements are now well over 30 years ago and probably now terminated and some could be made public. Its called that because it can be found in the cholesterol of living systems. - City . There are a lot of components to a display. The Institute would've been a larger and more effective organization much earlier. I think Professor Saupe was the only one in the early stages who really had a professorship. Request Tour Send an Email Highlights Here are some of the most popular amenities Pet Friendly Patio Floor Plans 1 unit available 1 Bedroom 1 bed 1 bath $625/mo My experience is that all the good research comes out of really young guys. These students went into industry in places like Microsoft, Apple, Google etc. Things like the Bayh-Dole Act got the state to start thinking differently. We didn't think we could ever make a raser. CRAWFORD: Was this started in 1991?DOANE: I think it was awarded in 1991. More so then than now.CRAWFORD: What was the nature of that difference?DOANE: [Back when Glenn first formed the institute this gap was larger than today in that universities didnt see it as their business to perform research of industrial interest. Information on the people and the population of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin. I wonder if you could say a little bit about the nature of the problem, that he didnt have a PhD. It was doing very well then to give a new director time to settle in before ALCOM ended.CRAWFORD: Did you ever consider just stepping down as director and going back to doing research as a faculty member?DOANE: Back then, you could retire, and after you were retired for so many years, you could run the Institute again. John was marvelous at moving these materials forward. Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin Localisation : Country France, Region Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes, Department Isre.Available Information : Postal address, Phone number, Fax number, Website, Email address, Mayor, Geographical coordinates, Population, Altitude, Area, Weather and Hotel.Nearby cities and villages : Corbelin, Granieu and Brgnier-Cordon. CRAWFORD: I've been reading Brown's papers and looking at the early annual reports from what it sounds like, from what he was writing and putting in the reports at the time, he really saw the primary focus of the Institute as studying the structure of liquid crystals. KSU Center View map 3333 Busbee Dr NW, Kennesaw, GA 30144 https://events.kennesaw.edu/venues/ksu-center.php Place Details Type Kennesaw Campus 0 People follow this place Follow Place Upcoming Events (2) PACT Act: Counseling for all Disability Claims Tue, Apr 4, 2023 10am to 3pm KSU Center, Rooms 300 & 400 New Training & Workshops This unique feature makes possible all sorts of low power, color reflective display applications. When we think about displays now, we think about computers and very dynamic displays. It strikes me asyou've talked about how those kind of relationships were challenging, the relationships between academia and industry, and so forth. It is what really gave me encouragement, a few years later, to go to the dean of arts and science to get a building on the research campus. After Senior Research Fellows served in that position for a while, they found themselves directing graduate students and doing almost the same things as university professors do. I was very lucky to have such a guy in this little town. Town Center at Cobb is now one of more than 50 shopping malls in the U.S. owned by Kohan, which is based in Great Neck, New York. "Maybe someday in the future, we'll understand this." Please contact the. I had to hire electrical engineers [or use the electrical expertise we had in-house to create drive electronics for a new technology].CRAWFORD: It sounds like part of the impact of ALCOM, in addition to growing the LCI, was orienting the Institute more towards displays, and it sounds like you were doing a lot more than just liquid crystals.DOANE: Yeah. Looking back on it, I'm not sure why he hired Fergason in the first place. There was just nothing. Today he is CEO taking the company into new exciting directions with new products. We left the mess there. To defend Kent State University was very hard because he couldn't get Al Saupe to be a witness. We put together a massive proposal from our group to NSF. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Did he ask you if you played softball? ]CRAWFORD: Right, because the university becomes kind of a competitor to the companies.DOANE: [Not necessarily a competitor because they're not in the same kind of business]. He just wanted to make a wristwatch face. Licensing, in general, I found not to be a very good business for a university. DOANE: I really had some wonderful students. I think this is another reason I retired when I did because I also convinced DARPA that this might be a nice technology, the reflective technology, because you could see it in the bright sunlight, you could use it in airplanes, and so on. I thought it was a great opportunity to really get other people in physics besides myself involved in this. Industry has the money and manpower to do the job better than any university. And it was very different, a new way of making droplets and liquid crystals, a very simple way to do it. They or their students often like to establish a company and make use of it themselves. Then, one weekend, this Bill comes to Kent and knocks on my door and says, "I have my son-in-law, Joel Domino, out in the car. Before that, it was sort of informal. Everybody was from industry. And of course, after they graduated from high school, they went to college, and I didn't see them then, either. Good morning, Dr. Doane. I come from the academic world. [Laugh] You better learn how to write grants. CRAWFORD: Why do you say that?DOANE: Because usually, that's where the opportunity is. However, at that time, he was not very well. I think from the point of view of guiding me later, this did it. That's what you do as a director, you fund your organization. Today's date is August 10th, 2021. And that's the proposal we gave them and that is what they funded. In France, there was a large group at Orsay near Paris. 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